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		<title>Initial thoughts on my new social data flow</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Firstly, apologies to anybody who couldn&#8217;t see the social data flow diagram in my earlier post &#8211; I&#8217;ve now hosted it on my own server so it shouldn&#8217;t disappear quite so often. (Click on the image for a bigger version) The new data flow, using ping.fm to syndicate my status updates and micro-blogs and FriendFeed [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, apologies to anybody who couldn&#8217;t see the social data flow diagram in my <a href="http://blog.dominicsayers.com/2008/07/28/my-social-data-flow/" target="_blank">earlier post</a> &#8211; I&#8217;ve now hosted it on my own server so it shouldn&#8217;t disappear quite so often.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dominicsayers.com/socialdataflow/" target="_blank"><img style="margin-top:16px;margin-bottom:16px;border-width:0;" src="http://www.dominicsayers.com/socialdataflow/SocialDataFlowThumb.png" alt="" width="480" /></a></p>
<p style="font-size:x-small;">(Click on the image for a bigger version)</p>
<p>The new data flow, using <a href="http://ping.fm" target="_blank">ping.fm</a> to syndicate my status updates and micro-blogs and <a href="http://friendfeed.com/dominicsayers" target="_blank">FriendFeed</a> to aggregate my other activity and consolidate everything into a coherent set of feeds, is working quite well. I would like to be able to have more control over the format of what both ping.fm and FriendFeed do for each target system, but the defaults are adequate for now.</p>
<p>Here are the issues I&#8217;m experiencing:</p>
<p>1. Using <a href="http://twitterfeed.com/" target="_blank">Twitterfeed</a> to take my <a href="http://friendfeed.com/dominicsayers?format=atom" target="_blank">FriendFeed RSS</a> and pipe it into <a href="http://twitter.com/dominicsayers" target="_blank">Twitter</a> introduces a degree of latency that&#8217;s a bit inappropriate for Twitter. Twitter should be near real-time and conversational (whilst not being an instant messaging system), but Twitterfeed only reads my FriendFeed every half an hour. If I get ping.fm to update Twitter directly then I&#8217;m going to get some updates twice, which is exactly what I&#8217;m trying to avoid.</p>
<p>2. Some of the connected systems (<a href="http://identi.ca/dominicsayers" target="_blank">identi.ca</a> for example) are Twitter-like, and I&#8217;d like to treat them the same way as Twitter: as an output device for all my activity. But Twitterfeed is Twitter-specific and I haven&#8217;t found an equivalent for identi.ca etc. yet. In any case I don&#8217;t want a different Social ETL tool for each output system; I want Twitterfeed (or something) to do this for a number of target systems.</p>
<p>3. There&#8217;s no class solution for location-based systems yet. Obviously I&#8217;d like to be able to update my location and travel plans in one place and have it propagate to <a href="http://www.tripit.com/people/dominicsayers" target="_blank">TripIt</a>, <a href="http://www.dopplr.com/traveller/DominicSayers" target="_blank">Dopplr</a>, <a href="http://brightkite.com/people/dominicsayers" target="_blank">BrightKite</a> etc. I think <a href="http://fireeagle.yahoo.net/" target="_blank">FireEagle</a> may be trying to do this but it&#8217;s short of two things at the moment: co-operation from the other systems and an invitation for me. If anybody has access to FireEagle I would appreciate a way in.</p>
<p>4. Now I need to do the other thing &#8211; deduplicate my profligate friends&#8217; updates. When <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/mlazopoulou/" target="_blank">Myrto</a> uploads a picture to Flickr, for instance, I get notified about it four times. I can rationalise this a bit but I can&#8217;t ignore her FriendFeed or Twitter because I would miss some of her updates, so I&#8217;m condemned to hearing about her new pictures multiple times unless (a) she adopts a version of my social data flow or (b) I find a solution to deduplicating the same update coming through multiple channels. This duplicate filter is necessary until everybody adopts my architecture, i.e. for ever. Does anybody know of a solution out there?</p>
<p>This all seems quite difficult to manage and well beyond anybody who is either busy or technically challenged. There&#8217;s no real way of developing a packaged solution until all the social systems adopt a single sign-on technology like <a href="http://openid.net/" target="_blank">OpenID</a>, and many of them have sound technical reasons for not doing so (OpenIDs can be created by anybody anywhere so it&#8217;s a bit like expecting system owners to trust a digital certificate that has no trusted root certification authority).</p>
<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s the state of play at the moment. More to come I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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